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From: Kurt Kingston <Kurt@cfirepro.com>
To: "'pufa@1all.com'" <pufa@1all.com>
Subject: Challenger II instruction
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 07:53:48 -0700
I am seeking some transition training in a Challenger II. If you know
of any
sources in this area, I would appreciate it.
I have about 200 hours experience in SEL and SES, mainly in C-150,
C-172's,
current US medical and weigh 170 pounds.
Thanks
Kurt Kingston
kurt@cfirepro.com
Commercial Fire Protection Inc.
P.O. Box 128
Mt Vernon WA 98273
USA
Phone: (360) 848-9093 Fax: (360) 848-1072
Kurt Kingston
kurt@cfirepro.com
Commercial Fire Protection Inc.
P.O. Box 128
Mt Vernon WA 98273
USA
Phone: (360) 848-9093 Fax: (360) 848-1072
Subject: Pufa Flyout for July
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 14:04:47 -0700
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Fellow Aviators:Attached is a review of the notice for the July 21 Pufa Flyout to Rowena. Plan to attend and invite others with airplanes if you wish. A couple of things:1. We have yet to bring a barbeque and hot dogs, hamburgers or what have you to one of our flyouts this year. If someone has a portable barbeque they could bring in their airplane, why not take it upon yourself to organize lunch. Let me know and I can either email you the email list or notify everyone myself that it is happening.2. There appears to be considerable support for continuing on out to Hope Airport, 22 NM further east, following the Rowena event, and having a camp-out in tents, barbeque and supernatant liquid consumption evening, returning home the following day, Sunday. Given the support so far, I am as sure as I can be that this will transpire so plan to join in if you can. What would be really helpful is if someone, or a wife, or ??? would drive a support vehicle out to Hope with coolers, tents, etc. Anyhow, there's the plan.Don
PUFA
FLYOUT FOR JULY
·Approximate
mid-field co-ordinates:Latitude
490 15’ 15” N, Longitude 1210 56’ 45” W.
·Approximate
runway orientation:1700
and 3500 Magnetic, wind sock at mid-field on the east side of
the runway
·Approximate
runway length and surface:2,200
feet, gravel.
Greetings all:
Just this morning I received an email concerning the previously
announced
fly-out to Rowena this coming Saturday from Jeff Rochon.
The message is
forwarded to you and the text appears below. I guess
we are in the dark
concerning the reason for postponement but, there you
go! In any event, as
you can see, Jeff suggests that we turn it into an impromtu,
PUFA-led
fly-out instead. This does not replace the July 21 PUFA
fly-out to Rowena
unless we collectively decide to alter the schedule,
in which case I will
advise you all be email. Rowena is such a picturesque
spot - great for a
fly-out. We'll make sure the new PUFA banner is there.
A report on the fly-out to Sechelt on June 16. Daryl Hegyi
informs me that
he was the only PUFA member to attend which I, in my
infinite wisdom, have
interpreted as an indication that the membership does
not wish to either
travel that far, or over water, or both. Having held
three fly-outs so far,
we should be getting a bit of a feeling for what works
and what doesn't. At
Geordie's we had about a half dozen planes, at Hatzic
Lake, considerably
more, say 12 or 14 (of whom only about a little more
than half were PUFA
members), and at Sechelt, only 1. My PUFA membership
list shows
43 names, either individual or family, and I am sending
this email to 24
PUFA members and 4 non-PUFA-ites. Very few members have
participated in our
fly-outs and those have been the same ones each time.
I would like to hear
from as many members as possible about how you would
like me to organize
these fly-outs: where, when, food, events, etc. They
are just as easy to
organize in a way that works as they are to organize
in a way that no-one
shows up, so tell me what to try next. All suggestions
will be appreciated
and I will acknowledge each email individually.
Fly safely!
Don Willoughby
----- Original Message -----
From: "jeff rochon" <jeffr@infoserve.net>
To: <donwilloughby@home.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 6:10 PM
Subject: rowena
> Don....I have just learned from Bill Gibson that the
rowena fly-in on the
> 23rd of June has been officially postponed until Sept.
date unknown. I
have
> no explanation for the postponment. I suggest that
anyone wishing to fly
> there on the 23rd , should do so. there is food at
the outdoor club house
> as well as the sasquatch inn. we could just call it
a normal fly-out.
Think
> around noon for arrival. announce on 123.20 3 miles
out. .. you may
foward
> this mail to interested parties. jeff
>
>
From: BradAllore@aol.com
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 14:34:34 EDT
Subject: PUFA News
To: pkbuck@myexcel.ca, wklatt@interserv.com, gursel@home.com,
dhegyi@telus,
pufa@1all.com
Ken Buck:
I just received my latest copy of the PUFA news letter
dated May 25th, 2001.
Glens editorial note was great and the summer schedule
looks interesting.
I noticed that the minutes of the last PUFA meeting were
not published in the
news letter as usual. Was there a reason for this? As
I will be spending
most of my summer in Ontario it is difficult to attend
every meeting. Having
the official meeting minuets published in the news letter
is very helpful in
being informed on club issues and events.
Would you please e-mail, fax (613-478-1255) or mail me
a copy of the PUFA
meeting minutes from the last PUFA meeting. I would also
appreciate copies
of the executive meeting minutes from the past six executive
meetings to date.
Thank you for your assistance and I am looking forward
to hearing from you in
the very near future.
Yours respectfully,
Brad Allore
PUFA member
From: BradAllore@aol.com
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 23:40:19 EST
Subject: Ad
To: Pufa@1all.com
You can pull my two place wanted ad.
Thanks
Brad
From: "lelan" lelan@telus.net
To: www.pufa@1all.com
Subject: My MEMBERSHIP
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 20:10:49 -0800
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Dear Mario..could you plx remove my name of the roster
list ASAP.Thanks lelan
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Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 12:20:13
-0800
To: Pacific Ultralight Flying
Association pufa@1all.com
From: Ron Smit ronsmit@canada.com
Subject: Canada Snow Birds in
Trail.B.C.
Dear Ultralight flying friends I have not been to any meeting lately because we have moved to Trail B.C. in October last year and became members of the Trail flying Club ,now this is the reason We send this letter , We would like to invite you to two events on the Trail airport the first one is the Airport appreciation day on Saturday June 16 you can camp on the airfield for free.Next is the visit of the Canadian Snow Birds to celebrate the 100 year birthday of Trail the Snowbirds will land on our field on July 31 at 3.30 PM and perform an air show the next day August. 1 2001 you are also for this event welcome to camp on the airfield. we hope to see many of you for one or both events
regards Ron and Debby Smit from a now spring like Trail
B.C.
From: "Michael Hollier" citysalmon@sprint.ca
To: pufa@1all.com
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 14:30:41 -0800
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Hi all, I too am interested in the
buying, flying and obtaining a instructor rating for ultralights. I will
try to come to the next meeting to find out more, if not I will try to
make a visit to the field. Thanks Tally ho Mike N. Vancouver
From: "Don Willoughby" dwilloughby@email.msn.com
To: "Pufa" pufa@1all.com
Subject: Pufa: att. Daryl Hegyi
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 09:21:17 -0800
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Daryl: Sorry to miss the November
meeting (AGM) and unfortunately, due to a family-related conflicting social
engagement, I will have to miss the Christmas party as well. Please offer
everyone there my best wishes for the Christmas season, and enjoy yourselves.
I saw Fred this past Saturday and he informed me that due to poor attendance
voting for PUFA officers was not completed but will be done at the Christmas
party. I verbally gave him my proxy to vote for me as he sees fit and confirm
that with you, here. Good luck. Clear skies and safe flying to all! Don
Willoughby.
From: "Daryl C Reimer" <dcreimer@cableregina.com>
To: <pufa@1all.com>
Subject: Reg changes re: pax carrying rating
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 20:40:01 -0600
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November 12, 2000
Arlo Speer
Chief
Recreational Aviation & Special
Flight Operations
Transport Canada
I have recently received the flight test standards guide from David Parkes at your Winnipeg office along with a letter asking for my input. This is the first formal request for input in this initiative that I have received.
It quite sounds like that at this stage of your process that you only need to fine tune the guide before completing and enacting the passenger carrying rating –ultralight initiative. I find that having previously been overlooked in the formal consultation process as were my colleagues at the other four active ultralight schools in Saskatchewan that we are left with a policy that is not only completely undesirable, ill conceived, narrowly focused and highly exclusionary, it does not address the problems we are trying to address. It is definitely perceived to, and will not work.
Ultralight flying is increasingly the entry level of choice for new pilots. I believe mainly because of the price and the lack of bureaucracy encountered by both the student and instructor. This new policy regarding the passenger carrying rating- ultralight erodes both of those benefits to the overall detriment of aviation. It is my understanding that somewhere near 87% of ultralights in Canada are Basic UL and that most schools use BULA to teach on. The safety record of ultralights has been as good as general aviation and new policy should aim to better that record. By adding this unnecessary and ineffective new policy you are providing a major disincentive to safer flying in the ultralight world.
Ultralight pilots in the far reaches of this country have been known to fly ultralights without instruction, without a license and with passengers in BULA and AULA. How will we provide access and incentive to all UL instructors to provide better, smarter ways for pilots to want to become appropriately taught and licensed ?
After much consultation with Saskatchewan Ultralight School owners and other knowledgeable persons in the Rec/Av flying world it is our view this policy be scrapped in its present form.
The desirable consensus regarding passenger carrying in ultralights is that a passenger carrying rating be taught, tested and administered by Ultralight instructors and schools.
First it is desired that instruction and passenger carrying be allowed on BULA and AULA. Having said that, to address the problem of such a broad diversity of aircraft in the Basic category a method is required for having the passenger and/or the aircraft owner accept appropriate responsibility and liability for the airworthiness of their BULA. or the one they use.
I believe a combination of avenues can address this problem. It is recommended that an informational brochure be developed describing the nature and risk of ultralight flying that the person in the second seat is to sign and as an acknowledgement that they understand and accept responsibility for the activity which they are about to undertake. The BULA should be able to be inspected by someone experienced in this field and deemed to know if the BULA conforms to TP 10141. This could be an
AIRABA ( MDRA ) , an AME, or for those who as an instructor /builder/ maintainer would like this privilege, a method of equivalency to perform this type of inspection and accept the responsibility and liability.
Secondly, the instruction, flight test and administration of the passenger carrying rating is to be the responsibility of the flight instructor. Currently an instructor has the privilege of signing of a person off as having met all the requirements to not only carry another person but instruct them as well in 50 hours in BULA or AULA. This has proven to work well and is acceptable. Regardless of what you call the other person there is someone else in the second seat.
It is therefore desired and recommended that the passenger rating –UL be of higher flight time, 40 hours and without instructional technique, on BULA and AULA , using the proposed flight test guide as a format for instructors to ensure the skill requirements are met uniformly with no formal flight test. Of course instructors should be encouraged to make their skill assessment as professional, clearly structured and courteous as any flight test in general aviation.
The idea of a float rating is unanimously undesired. Having said that few pilots would attempt this with out float specific training and even fewer aircraft owners would allow inexperienced or relatively inexperienced pilots to fly their aircraft, passengers or not.
If pilots want to have the privilege of carrying passengers with a lower flight experience level it is recommended they pursue a recreational pilot permit.
These proposals are the recommendations of the active Saskatchewan Group of Ultralight Flying Schools
Aerosmith Ultralight Aviation Inc. -
CAVOK Enterprises
Frontier Ultralights
Good Spirit Aviation
J. F. Flight Training
Greetings:
Attached is a jpeg of a recent notice from Kathy Lubitz
of UPAC entitled
"Emergency!" which requested that comments on the Transport
Canada draft
for Flight Test Standards for the Ultralight Passenger
Carrying Rating
be forwarded to TC as soon as possible.
Jeff Rochon and I reviewed the standards as well as the
training
requirements proposed for the Ultralight Flight Instructor
and the
holder of a Pilot Permit - Ultralight Aeroplane who wishes
to obtain the
passenger carrying rating.
Our comments faxed this evening to Transport Canada are
also attached
for your information.
Glenn Ursel
From: "Dennis" draymondis@home.com
To: pufa@1all.com
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 18:57:34 -0700
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Hello... Is there someone that
I can get in touch with over the phone reguarding an ultralight I am interested
in buying. I have no expierence with ultralights but have many questions.
Time for me is a factor as the seller would like to get rid of the ultralight
he has. If it seems like a good deal I might pick it up and join a club.
Please contact me if you could or direct me to someone who can. Thank you
size=2> Dennis Penner size=2> Home ph 604-854-8207 size=2> Work ph 604-823-6223
From: Glenn Ursel <gursel@home.com>
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Subject: Re:
References: 3.0.32.20001101075814.0087c820@1all.com
Pufa:
Something wrong with your computer. This guy's email
address isn't
coming through. I will phone Dennis Penner although
I don't consider
myself much of an expert to advise anyone on the purchase
of an
ultralight. Maybe he should be referred to Fred Glasbergen?
Glenn
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From: Maze1978@aol.com
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 05:06:08 EDT
Subject: Question from Vancouver
To: Pufa@1all.com
Hi...
I have recently flown in a trike and i have fallen in
love with it instantly.
Im at the beggining of a process where im trying to find
a school or
something that would teach me how to fly one and where
could i maybe purchase
one-a 2 sitter.Any airports where i can store it,costs,regulations
and tips
would help.
Any information u send me i greatly appreciated.
Thank you
Marius
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Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 09:04:38 -0700
From: Glenn Ursel <gursel@home.com>
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To: Mario LeBel <mario@1all.com>
Subject: [Fwd: Question from vancouver]
Mario:
Got Marius' note direct and replied.
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Marius:
You should visit the Airflow Ultralight Aviation Ltd.
office on the west
side of the King George Highway just south of Panarama
Ridge in Surrey
for signing up for pilot training. They also have planes
for sale there
and hangars for storage.
Glenn Ursel
Maze1978@aol.com wrote:
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Subject: Kitty Hawk International Auction - Phase II
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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 21:45:03 -0400
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From: "dylan riseley" dylanriseley@globalfreeway.com.au
To: Pufa@1all.com
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 09:16:37
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Hi my name is Dylan Riseley and
i am searhing for a plane i know what it looks like but i want to know
what it is called could you please help me it also stars in the movie the
gods must be crazy 2 it has 2 wheels at the back and one at the front the
wings are on the roof of the plane and has 2 small engines one on each
side of the wing and the tail is in the shape of an upside down v it also
says vav on the wings in big writing and it is covered so that your not
seating out in the open air and can carry 2 people i hope you can find
out what it is called thank you.
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How can I protect against corrosion in saltwater environment??
Greetings from the east coast! I'm in desperate need of
advice and hope you
can help. I am in the process of building a Rans S-7
Courier on floats. I
want to be able to fly to and from salt water. I have
put several layers of
epoxy and paint on the airframe. Any suggestions (either
solutions or
people I could contact) for how to protect the engine
and airframe against
corrosion under these conditions? I've had a hard time
getting any info and
would appreciate any assistance. Many thanks!
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Peak Performance Flight School
c/o Jim Neale
RR #1, Boutilier's Point
Nova Scotia, Canada
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tel (902) 494-1112 (weekdays)
tel (902) 826-2768 (evenings & weekends)
fax (902) 494-2888
Sam: May 21,2000
Welcome to Canada!
Your note was forwarded to me by our PUFA webmaster, Mario
LeBel. Since
you are going to Calgary, you could visit the website
of the Calgary
Flying Club at: http://www.cadvision.com/cufc/index.htm
and there you will see a reference to the Springbank
Recreational Flight
Training school which is located at the Springbank airport
just west of
Calgary. Their URL is: http://www.cadvision.com/srft/
For Vancouver, you can visit our PUFA website at: http://www.1all.com/pufa/
and there you will see a section called "Around the Patch"
which
contains a link to our local ultralight flying school,
Airflow Aviation Ltd.
The Airflow URL is: http://www.airflowaviation.com/flighttraining.html
Both Springbank and Airflow should be able to rent you
an airplane if
you check out on type.
Glenn Ursel
Treasurer & Editor, PUFA Newsletter
Dear Sir,
I will be visiting Canada in the first two weeks of June
this year, I am a
qualified Microlight pilot in the UK with over 60 hours
experience on both
Pegasus AX3 and AX2000 microlights, I will be bringing
along my CAA licence
and log book. I would very much like to experience flying
in Canada, is
there the possibility of hiring an Ultralight, after
a check flight of
course?, or any flight, solo or otherwise. It would be
such a shame to miss
any opportunity available whilst I was over there. I
would be most grateful
if you could assist in any way.
I will be travelling to Montreal, Ottawa and Toronto
first, then flying over
to Calgary and then travelling down to Vancouver, where
I will be for about
three days, so if you could help with addresses of any
other schools on the
way, this would be very helpful.
My Uncle, Frank Sawyer came from Vancouver Island but
he moved to England
after being stationed here in the War, this would be
a great opportunity to
see his homeland from the only perspective to view, from
a Microlight
(sorry, Ultralight to you guys.)
Once again, any help will be most appreciated.
Please visit the website for the club I fly with:-
http://www.microlight-aviation.co.uk
Best Regards,
Sam Venables
To: Mario@1all.com
From: "K. Daniel Mitchell" <mitchell@cadvision.com>
Subject: Re: Ultralights
Thanks Mario....and good luck with your site.
Dan
At 10:26 PM 4/9/00 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi.....! Dan
>We went to CUFC site and found a great looking website!
>I'm glad that we have the PUFA website up and running
again!
>And yes I'll place a link to the Calgary Ultralight
Flying Club
>website and we thank you for doing the same.
>
>Best regards Mario
>
>
>At 06:12 AM 04/08/2000, you wrote:
>>Mario,
>>
>>I was pleased to see the Pacific Ultralight Flyig Assoc.
recently got their
>>web site up and running again. It is surprising to
me that there is such a
>>small number of Canadian UL clubs that have a presence
on the internet.
>>Maybe there is only a small number of Canadain UL clubs
anyway.
>>
>>I am the webmaster for the Calgary Ultralight Flying
Club and frequently
>>"surf the net" looking for appropriate sites to link
to the CUFC's Links
>>page. I have added a link to your site and would appreciate
it if you
>>would add a link to ours. The CUFC's web address is:
>>
>>www.cadvision,com/cufc/index.htm
>>
>>Our email address is:
>>
>>cufc@cadvision.com
>>
>>Thanks for your help with this, and happy flying.
>>
>>Dan
To: pufa@1all.com
From: "K. Daniel Mitchell" <mitchell@cadvision.com>
Subject: Ultralights
Mario,
I was pleased to see the Pacific Ultralight Flyig Assoc.
recently got their
web site up and running again. It is surprising to me
that there is such a
small number of Canadian UL clubs that have a presence
on the internet.
Maybe there is only a small number of Canadain UL clubs
anyway.
I am the webmaster for the Calgary Ultralight Flying Club
and frequently
"surf the net" looking for appropriate sites to link
to the CUFC's Links
page. I have added a link to your site and would appreciate
it if you
would add a link to ours. The CUFC's web address is:
www.cadvision.com/cufc/index.htm
Our email address is:
cufc@cadvision.com
Thanks for your help with this, and happy flying.
Dan
From: Glenn Ursel <gursel@home.com>
Organization: @Home Network
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CC: Daryl Hegyi <dhegyi@telus.net>, Mario LeBel <mario@1all.com>
Subject: Re: Ultralight training lowermainland
References: <3.0.32.20000404210254.00853c40@1all.com>
Chris Tomkins:
Airflow Ultralight Aviation Ltd. is the largest ultralight
training
facility in the Lower Mainland is in located at 4981
King George Highway
on the west side of the King George Highway just south
of the railway
overpass at the base of hill below the junction of Highway
10 and the
King George Highway.
Fred Glasbergen is the owner of the facility and his phone
number at the
airfield is 596-7452.
Glenn Ursel
PUFA Treasurer & Acting Secretary
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> To whom it may concern I'm presently looking for an
Ultralight training facility around the lower mainland could you please
let me know what my options are. Thanks Chris
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To whom it may concernI'm presently
looking for an Ultralight training facility around the lower mainland could
you please let me know what my options are.Thanks Chris
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From: Glenn Ursel <gursel@home.com>
Organization: @Home Network
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To: pufa@1all.com
CC: Daryl Hegyi <dhegyi@telus.net>
Subject: PUFA Web Page
Hi Mario:
Much better but I hope you won't mind if I point out a couple of
problems still there.
The newsletters for January, February and June of 1997 have the year
1996 shown in the newsletter when you open them up. Can you change
the
1996 to 1997 please?
The newsletters for January, February, March and April of 1997 also
have
Pacific Ultralight Flying Association and the date above your link
box
whereas the other newsletters have the date below and to the left with
Pacific Ultralight Flying Association not shown. Maybe you can edit
these to look like the other newsletters.
The newsletter for October, 1997 and all of the newsletters for 1998
are
missing.
I notice that the newsletters for October, November of 1999 and January,
2000 are also missing. I can send these to Daryl who can forward them
to you if you don't have these.
Thanks!
Glenn
From: Glenn Ursel <gursel@home.com>
Organization: @Home Network
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To: pufa@1all.com
CC: Daryl Hegyi <dhegyi@telus.net>
Subject: PUFA Executive
Mario:
Patrick Stanley has left the PUFA Executive and has not renewed his
PUFA
membership for this year. Consequently, he should be removed from the
PUFA Executive listed in the PUFA Web Page.
I have offered to carry on as Acting Secretary until someone can be
appointed to this position.
Incidentally, I notice that the links for the newsletters aren't
working. Also, the PUFA logo looks a little unclear. Can the image
be
made more crisp?
Glenn
From: "Dave Ford" <ford@sunwave.net>
To: <pufa@1all.com>
Cc: "Joerg Klaemt" <klaemt@shuswap.net>
Subject: Web Site and Up Coming Fly Ins
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 20:35:54 -0800
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Good day,
I'm Dave Ford the Web master for the Okanagan Utralight Association.
Joerg
Klaemt suggested touching base with you guys and let you know that
our Web
site has moved from the link that is listed on your site. The new link
is
http://www.sunwave.net/~oula .. I have placed a link on our web site
to
yours. I also understand that you were talking John on the recent Transport
Canada briefing in Vancouver about a fly-in to the Okanagan. I will
be
posting the dates and locations of all our events on out web site as
they
become available. I think that the location may switch from Vernon
to Salmon
Arm as there will be under wing camping at the SA airport. Well that's
it
for now please keep in touch
Best Regards
Dave Ford
OULA
From: AL SUMNER <acsumner@bc.sympatico.ca>
To: <pufa@tvinet.com>
Subject: fulford harbour fly in
Date: Sunday, August 01, 1999 10:54 PM
Hi daryl,
There 3 of us that are interested in flying down from courtenay. so could someone send a schetch of the air field, and the specs...
Thx,.AL ps:I missed the fathers day fly in ,The family reuoion took more time than I had planned for. But did get over to Fred's and got 1.5 hrs recurancy time. so the weekend was not all lost.
bc tel has merged so I hope my Email will work o,k. talk to you again.
AL.
From: Dan Brassard <dan@brassard.com>
To: <pufa@tvinet.com>
Subject: Ultralight Flying.
Date: Monday, July 19, 1999 6:18 PM
Hi All.
I would like some information on your organization. Specifically, I would like some contact information on membership, and would like some assistance on choosing a training facility. In fact, any information at all would be appreciated.
Please see my website at www.dan.brassard.com, on it I hope you will find some interesting material.
thank you very much
Dan Brassard
From: "Daryl Hegyi" <daryl@tvinet.com>
To: "Hilton Toube" <toubes@sprint.ca>
Cc: "Pacific Ultralight Flying Association" <pufa@tvinet.com>l
Subject: Re: New Immigrant
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 14:48:36 -0700
Hi Hilton,Thanks for
your interest in our club.We meet at 7:30pm on the last Wednesday of each
month, at Springfield Townhouse Clubhouse,
16031 82nd Ave, Surrey BC See
map: http://www.tvinet.com/pufa/Pufameet.jpgWe
don't "have a field" per se, but everyone hangs around King George Airpark,
in Surrey.See http://www.tvinet.com/pufa/KingGeorge.html
regards, Daryl Hegyi,
President Pacific Ultralight Flying Association
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 11:13:21 -0700
From: Hilton Toube <toubes@sprint.ca>
Hi Fellow Ultralighters,
My name is Hilton, and I have recently immigrated to Vancouver from
South Africa. I brought with me an Ultralight called a "Aerotrike Spirit"
which is a delta wing trike. I would be very keen to find out more about
your club, your airfield location, fees etc. I have about 350 hours on
this type of aircraft and would also like to find out what the requirements
for registering my ultalight are, as well as doing a conversion from my
pilot licence to Canadian licence is. I live in West Vancouver and would
very much like to visit your club on a fly day if possible. Could you please
give me directions to your field.
Thanking you in anticipation,
Hilton Toube.
to: "PUFA" <pufa@tvinet.ca>
Subject: Steve Cowan
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 20:22:56 -0700
Daryl:
Left a message on your home voice mail that I talked to Steve this afternoon and he has agreed to come to our meeting and talk about Rotax engine maintenance although he prefers a question and answere format. He expressed some trepidation about the public speaking aspect of it but I reminded him that he is among friends and so he agreed to come.
I was thinking that maybe PUFA should reward him for his efforts by forgiving him his 1999 membership fee. If you agree, I will make a motion to that at the meeting.
Glenn Ursel
From: "Dave Loveman" <loveman@idirect.com>
To: <pufa@tvinet.com>
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 21:39:18 -0400
Would you please consider adding my new video site to your link section?
http://www.ultralightflyer.com
thanks
Dave Loveman
http://www.ultralightnews.com
From: "Sandro Maniscalco" <sandro30@direct.ca>
To: <pufa@tvinet.com>
Subject: from an italian ultralight pilot
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 00:19:58 -0700
Hallo ultralight enthusiast,
I'm an Italian ultralight pilot just moved to British Columbia. I live in Whistler and I'm thinking to bring my Flying Inflatable boat (amphibian-delta-trike patented in Italy from Polaris Motor Company www.polarismotor.it or see article and picture on Kitplanes magazine May 99). I'd like to know if delta/engine trikes are considered basic ultralights in Canada, and, as my ultralight is a two place, if it's possible to consider it advanced ultralight and fly it with a passenger, getting the Canadian Recreational Pilot licence.
Thank you
Best regards
Sandro
From: "Kathy Lubitz" <elubitz@ionline.nets> To: "Pacific Ultralight Flying Association" <pufa@tvinet.com> Subject: Re: Pax Status Update. Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 08:35:34 -0500 DarylThanks to you and the PUFA members for discussing this issue. I will let you know what UPACs postiion will be after feedback from others.
Some has been negative. The instructor was not an issue and now it has become one. There is a feeling that by requiring the pax endorsement (flight test by ULFTE) TC gains control over who will be the ULFTEs and by default control over new instructors. It is recognized that the current TC people generally seem to be very cooperative in encouraging UL activity but these as these people are replaced, attitudes may change for the worse. In the end, what is written in the regulations is what we must live by.
We are not talking about more training for the instructor. He already has more flying hours and knowledge than is being required for the pax endorsement. (That's why the grandfathering.) We are talking about a flight test administered by someone who may or may not be available to him. Remember that the instructor has already demonstrated his skill twice, once when he got his UL Permit and again when he got his instructor rating.
Maybe instead of a progression from UL pilot to pax to instructor we should be have two choices - UL pilot to pax OR UL pilot to instructor. Forget about grandfathering instructors with pax. If an instructor no longer wants to instruct than he must get his pax endorsement.
Kathy
visit our web site at www.ionline.net/~elubitz
From: "Daryl Hegyi" <daryl@tvinet.com> To: "Kathy Lubitz" <elubitz@ionline.net> Subject: Re: Pax Status Update. Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 02:29:30 -0800We had quite a spirited discussion about the proposal, and the concerns you raised. Basically, the discussion revolved around the "grandfathering" clauses, and the fears of over-regulation. Many of the members had "commercial" licences, and were concerned about having to go through more training and expense to carry passengers and/or instruct students. It seems that the majority had the commercial licence because of the passenger-carrying loophole, while others genuinely wanted to continue instructing.
It was thought that the concern raised by Arlo Speer were the result of him running rings around himself, logically. We felt that by allowing current commercial licence holders to choose the direction of grandfathering - selecting either passenger carrying or instructing, would cover the transition period smoothly. The task of certifying new instructors could be performed by the mainline pilots' FTE's, until the new class of ULFTE's has been filled.
We recognized that new pilots would have to go through additional training and evaluation to carry passengers, and even more training to instruct. Therefore the pax carrying requirement for instructors was conceeded. There was some discussion about the levels of experience necessary to carry passengers. It was concluded that (training + experience = safety) when it comes to assuming the liability of passenger carrying, but different pilots proceed at different rates. The requrements in the CARS are MINIMUMS. That puts the responsibility of evaluating the pilot for the licence (endorsement) on the ULFTE during the checkout ride.
It was concluded that new instructors should have pax endorsement, and the proposal should be presented as so amended.
I hope that this helps you put this all together.
regards,
Daryl Hegyi, President,
Pacific Ultralight Flying Association.
Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 18:00:08 -0800 From: Ralf Koehler <ralf.koehler@cmt.com> Organization: Crimble Micro Test Ltd. To: pufa@tvinet.com Subject: Greetings from the Okanagan ValleyLadies and Gentlemen,
Browsing the web, I found your page today. I am very interested in Ultralight flying and seek more information about clubs or individuals in the central & southern Okanagan Valley in this matter. The reason for me to plan switching to Ultralights simply is the enormous cost of renting a C172. A while ago I had the chance to go for a test ride with Jim Thibodeau from Oliver. I know that this is what I really like, but I have to do it on a low budget; so I am looking for similar minded people in my area. Would you have a contact for me?
I know there is another german fellow out there, living near Penticton. His first name is Dieter; maybe someone has his phone number.
Kind regards,
Ralf Koehler, Peachland
From: "Hippo Consulting" <hippo@oberon.ark.com> To: <pufa@tvinet.com> Subject: Instructors wanted Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 15:45:15 -0800I run an ultralight flight training school out of Campbell River. We are looking for UL instructors, with or without aircraft, to work with us from April to perhaps September. Wages will depend on whether the instructor has a suitable aircraft, and will range from perhaps $1500/month to perhaps $6,000/month. The instructor must be willing to travel to provide flight and ground training.
Could you circulate this e-mail to your members. They can get back to me via e-mail or at 250-830-1494.
Thank you for your time.
Geoff LaCasse
Canadian Ultralight Centre
Campbell River, BC
From: "Glenn Ursel" <gursel@direct.ca> To: "Pacific Ultralight Flying Association" <pufa@tvinet.ca> Subject: Action Ultralights Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 17:38:04 -0800 Daryl:I met Gary O'Brien last August 23rd, when Gordon Brogan and I were flying back from Powell River via the Island and stopped in at the Duncan Airport for fuel. Thought maybe it might be appropriate to add a link to his site in your "Around the Patch" section of the PUFA web site.
Glenn Ursel
Hi Glenn,
Appreciate the offer on the link, go for it.
I have not seen weather this bad in Victoria for 20 years, there probably has not been 5 good days of flyin weather since last November. Oh well, we will just have to make up for it in the summer.
Cheers,
GARY W. O'BRIEN
-----Original Message----- From: Glenn Ursel <gursel@direct.ca> To: ACTION ULTRALIGHTS UNLIMITED <actionuu@IslandNet.com> Date: February 4, 1999 10:43 PM Subject: Today's (i.e. last August) Fuelup at Duncan > Hi Gary: > > Long time no see. I still have my August 23rd email note I sent to you > after the Powell River fly in. Your web site is great and the Genesis looks > a great plane. Do you mind if we put a link to your web site in our PUFA > web site? > > I haven't been able to get much flying in this winter due to the incessant > rain. Any time there is a reaonable day on a weekend, though, I fly to King > George and Delta Airpark from my home field at Glen Valley (owned by Fred > Glasbergen). > > Glenn Ursel > > -----Original Message----- > From: ACTION ULTRALIGHTS UNLIMITED <actionuu@IslandNet.com> > To: Glenn Ursel <gursel@direct.ca> > Date: February 3, 1999 8:45 PM > Subject: Re: Today's Fuelup at Duncan > > >> Hi Glenn >> >> Just thought I touch bases with you, have a new web site up, thought you may >> be interested. Have a look, let me know what you think. It is >> www.islandnet.com/~actionuu >> >> Not much flyin weather available to accomplish anything, one Genesis >> finished and flying. It is the black one - C-IFQZ. It will be our show-off >> piece. Next aircraft will be a Revelation, parts arriving end of February. >> Hope to have it ready for this summer. Still waiting for weather to start >> building a hangar at Duncan (AM3). >> >> Cheers, >> Gary O'Brien >
From: Mario@1all.com Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 19:42:08 -0800 To: "Daryl Hegyi" <pufa@tvinet.ca> please add these url in the for sale.....! http://www.1all.com/mxquicksilver/ http://www.1all.com/paramotor/ This one is my Airplane http://www.1all.com/azuro/ Regards Mario
From: "Glenn Ursel" $lt;gursel@direct.ca> To: "Pacific Ultralight Flying Association" <pufa@tvinet.ca> Subject: Approval of New Members Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 10:14:15 -0800 Daryl:After a conversation with Jeff Rochon who raised the question of "should we be approving applications from people who find out about us from our website and are not active flyers", I reviewed our constitution and find that indeed we can. Article 1 simply states that membership shall be open to persons with a bonafide professed interest in the advancement of ultralight flying. Article 2 says that such applications shall be subject to approval by the officers elected to process such aplications.
I think that you will agree the following text of her letter amply demonstrates a genuine interest in flying:
January 23, 1999
Pacific Ultralight Flying Association
102-16071 82 Avenue
Surrey, BC V3S 2L6
Dear Sir/Madam:
Would you consider allowing a senior, mostly home-bound person to be a member of your club? I have little to contribute other than my interest and an enclosed cheque for $35.00. I planned to get flying lessons during WWII, for recreation, while I was in CWAC. It is a little late and I am a little past it. But one can always dream.
A friend and I took a "fam flight" in an Anson, at Sea Island. Those cloth covered wings were really shaking, and my friend got the shakes also. But I really loved it - however was transferred before I could get any lessons. The CWAC barracks I was in was in Hotel Vancouver, we worked with the RCEME in the Ford Plant, and had a summer camp on the beach at Stanley Park. In fact my records show we were enjoying swimming at the beach on August 15, 1945 - VJ day - but went to Granville St. & the Hotel Vancouver to celebrate that night.
My last flight was by air ambulance, and indeed I think it was my last flight. Fortunately there are lots of programs on TV about all kinds of planes including ultralights - the "Ford" of air transport in this day - except of course often fancier.
Thanks for your time, anyway.
Lila Lewis Port Hardy, BC
While I think it would an honour to welcome people like Lila into our flying club as a regular member, the PUFA Executive can always invoke Article 3 of the PUFA Constitution to limit new applications in numerical sequence if we experience an avalance of applications (not likely but you never know) due to interest in our website.
Accordingly, may I have your approval of this new member please. Earlier this month we had a similar application from a Mr. Allen Sumner of Courtenay and I did not go through this approval process. I think I should from now on don't you? Also, when new members are accepted into the fold, we should be sending them a membership card. Could you send me one for Allen and Lila please.
Glenn Ursel
Editor, PUFA Newsletter
From: "(Kathy) lubitz" <elubitz@ionline.net> To: "Daryl Hegyi" <daryl@tvinet.com> Subject: Re: Pax Status Update. Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 21:00:43 -0500 Daryl,I have a problem and I need the input from UL pilots in other areas of the country. So your meeting will be timely. First let me explain my problem. I have reluctantly agreed on UPACs behalf to the requirement for instructors to have the pax endorsement. There will be a grandfathering of current instructors with pax carrying. Also there will be credits for higher licensed pilots, who can carry a pax, to have pax on their UL permit. The proposal is essentially the same one that was circulated in the December UPAC newsletter.
I noted in the newsletter that Transport wanted ul instructors to have the pax endorsement. The reason I am reluctant about this is because I can see a problem with the availablitiy of ULFTE's to give the pax endorsement to new instructors.
An email from Arlo Speer explains TC's logic:
-----------------------------quotes from email----------------------
"To argue in favour of granting Instructor Ratings to instructors who
do not meet the basic qualifications to carry a passenger, we would have
to claim and believe in some or all of these points:
--- the risk associated with carrying a passenger who is in the process
of learning to fly is less or different than the risk associated with carrying
a passenger who is not learning to fly
--- it makes sense to expect a lesser standard of skill and experience
from those getting paid to provide instruction than we do from those giving
rides for free
--- the desire to retain requirements that have been in place for decades
outweighs any benefits from increasing the skill of ultra-light instructors
--- while it is reasonable to require a non-instructor to demonstrate
her or his level of skill before taking another person into the air, it
is not reasonable to require the same of an instructor"
"To declare my bias, I don't see how we could do anything except require
instructors to meet a higher standard than the standard required of pilots
who do nothing more than carry passengers. By making the passenger rating
a pre-requisite or co-requisite for an instructor rating, we would be doing
that. Instructors would have to do what other carriers of passengers do
plus complete the truly "instructor" training about how to teach. "
-----------------------------End of TC quotations--------------
The pax endorsement is seen as a demonstration of skill. That skill is demonstrated by taking a flight test. TC seems to be saying that if there is no flight test, there is a lesser level of skill.
My problem is not with taking the flight test per say. My problem is with the availablitiy of the ULFTE to give it. Not all instructors will want to become ULFTEs. There are many areas in Canada where there are only basic uls in which passengers are not allowed. Most ul pilots own their own aircraft; if that aircraft is not permited to carry a pax, will the pilot want the pax endorsement? If there is no demand for the pax endorsement, will an instructor want to become a ULFTE?
Currently, any instructor can train another instructor. If the pax endorsement is required, a potential instructor will have to find a ULFTE and take a flight test. Consider the situation in about 5 years, after the grandfathering and credits, and perhaps after the first ULFTEs quit instructing. If a ul pilot, who does not have the pax endorsement, wants to become an instructor, will this extra rrequirement and the logistics of fulfilling it mean that he doesn't become an instructor? Will we have new instructors?
Am I making a mountain out of a mole hill? Is this a really a potential problem? I need you to discuss this. During the discussion, try to look past the current situation and the current personalities.Project 3 to 5 years into the future. If it is a real problem, are we willing to insist on status quo in this and risk not getting the pax endorsement? UPAC's mandate has been no change for those that do not want ot carry a pax; this is a departure from that. This affects instructors who want to instruct, not carry passengers.
I hope you can follow my train of thought here. It's a liitle hard to explain. I can still change UPACs position if that is necessary. The feedback from you and other groups will either reassure me that this requirement is OK, or will give me the support I need to reject this requirement. Remember, if we reject this requirement, we delay the process again. But we don't want a quick fix that will hurt the ul community in the long run, either.
Now your original questions; >- How far along is the process?
We are still discussing the details of implementation. Notices of Proposed Amendments (NPAs) to the CARs are being drafted and circulated. These will be the actual words in the CARs that will allow the pax endorsement to happen. We have to make sure that the wording in the NPAs actually reflects what we have agreed to. (This is where the additional requirement for the instuctor showed up even though it was not in the original proposal.)
>-Is there a timetable for completion?
The CARAC meeting that was scheduled for March has been delayed until June. The CARAC meeting is where the NPAs have to discussed and accepted once the wording has been finalized. The material for the meeting must be ready 6 to 8 weeks ahead of time to allow it to be translated and distributed before the meeting. If the NPAs are accepted at CARC, they must go to the Regulatory Committee, through legal and justice and be Gazetted. How long? If they are accepted at CARAC and the Reg Com, a policy statement could be issued to allow this to happen before the process is completed. We had hoped next summer, but it looks like well after that.
>- What are the salient points in this proposal? ie, differences from previous proposals.
The proposal still reflects what was accepted previously for the pilot. In my mind, the instructor is still an issue. I need to hear from you.
>- How is Transport Canada feeling about it? Are they in agreement?
There are still a few differences of opinion as you can see above. They want more accountability and more records for their files. This is a way of getting it. There are also differences on how the endorsement will be administered; UPAC favours a log book endorsement, TC wants to issue a document. These issues are resonably easy to resolve. I can see TC reasoning, they have considered ours.
>- How is the new ULTRA exam coming along?
Once the NPAs are accepted, we will start to work on the exam.
>- What, if anything, can our members do to help the process?
Discuss this and let me know. I need to know what the situation is there. I know that here in ON, it is already hard to find instructors who are actually instructing. This is why I see a problem in a few years. Maybe the situation is different there. I need to know that.
Daryl, may I circulate your original email questions with this. I would
like to copy this reply to other groups? Or would you prefer that I drop
any reference to you and PUFA?
Thanks, Kathy Lubitz, UPAC President visit our web site at www.ionline.net/~elubitz -----Original Message----- From: Daryl Hegyi <daryl@tvinet.com> To: Kathy Lubitz <elubitz@ionline.net> Cc: Pacific Ultralight Flying Association <pufa@tvinet.com> Date: Sunday, January 24, 1999 1:14 PM Subject: Pax Status Update. >Greetings, Kathy. > >Next Thursday, we are having our first meeting after the (long) holidays . > >At that time, we plan to review your last letter to inform our members about >the progress of the Passenger Carrying Proposal. > >We are hoping you could answer a few questions that some of our members >might be interested in: > > > - How far along is the process? Is there a timetable for completion? > - What are the salient points in this proposal? ie, differences from > previous proposals. > - How is Transport Canada feeling about it? Are they in agreement? > - How is the new ULTRA exam coming along? > - What, if anything, can our members do to help the process? > > >Thank you for your consideration, > > >Daryl Hegyi, President >Pacific Ultralight Flying Association > >
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 02:55:16 -0800 To: pufa@tvinet.com From: Paul Dunn pdunn@bcgroup.net Subject: TiTan TornadoHi everyone, My name is Paul Dunn and I am really interested in buying an ultralight. I have done a lot of research on the NET and the aircraft that I am leaning toward is the TITAN TORNADO 2 place. But it seems I cant find anyone who lives in BC who has one of these types of aircraft, that I can contact to discuss their opion on it. Are they illegal? or unsafe? Or do they have a poor performance history? Anyone who can shed some light on this matter for me would be greatly appreciated. Oh yeah I live in Prince George, Canada!! Thanks
Paul
Date: 16 Dec 1998 02:31:39 -0000 From: 377/447/503 Ultralight Engine Alerts/Advisories <ulnews@ultralightnews.com> To: 377/447/503 Ultralight Engine Alerts/Advisories <Engine1@listbot.com> Subject: Archives 377/447/503 Ultralight Engine Alerts/Advisories - http://www.ultralightnews.com/news/advisory.htmMe being the dummy I am didn't realize until just now that I can link to an archive section. Thus all of the messages that have appeared are stored on site, and are available for viewing, so if you are a new member you can see what has been posted in the past. To see past advisories just go to the advisory page (where you signed up)and click on the archive link. While there PLEASE drop in and click on the sponsor - remember everytime you visit one they give us 12 cents - which helps pay the $2,000 web bill for space etc. Thanks DL
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